Friday, March 23, 2007

Conferences to look at ‘threat‘ of Islam in NZ

Conferences to look at ‘threat‘ of Islam in NZ By Lynley Smith of Challenge Weekly, New Zealand

AUCKLAND, NZ — The time is ripe for the Church to face up to the threat of Islam in our country, to understand Islam’s agenda and to respond with the love of Christ, says Middle East Overseas Outreach New Zealand director Murray Dillner.
That organisation, Open Doors NZ, Interserve and Asian Outreach are combining to host Mosque and Miracles conferences for the first time in New Zealand.
They will be held in Christchurch, Wellington and Auckland in July, and are endorsed by Vision Network and Missions Interlink.
“Those who work with Muslims estimate there are about 40,000 of them here,” said Mr Dillner. “The politicians estimate about 20,000 but others believe there are many more. Islam is having an impact.”
Mr Dillner said he has become very aware that time is short before the pressure of ideologies such as radical Islam will “take away the freedoms we have in New Zealand and we will no longer have freedom of speech”.
“The politicians will tell you Islam is a peaceful religion, but any former Muslim will tell you otherwise,” he said. “Wherever in the world Muslims have taken over, democracy no longer exists.”
Mr Dillner said many Muslims came to New Zealand to find a better life, but many others came with a “missionary zeal” to take over the country. Muslims may in future, for example, promote the idea of instituting the call to Islamic prayer in their neighbourhoods.
In many freezing works halal killing had become standard and a group of South Island farmers was considering starting up their own freezing works to avoid that religious practice.
“They are saying, ‘Why should New Zealanders bow to Islam ?’ Islam has an agenda which is subtle and behind the scenes.”
The two-day conferences have a three-fold purpose ; to educate Christians about Islam, to inform them of what is happening in the world in relation to Islam ; and to equip the Church to reach out rather than put up walls against Muslims.
The conference will have a number of experienced speakers who have held Mosques and Miracles conferences twice in Australia and in South Africa last year.
Dr Stuart Robinson, senior pastor of Crossway Church in Melbourne, worked for 14 years in South-east Asia with his wife, Margaret, and knows Islam intimately. His book Mosques and Miracles was the inspiration behind the tours.
Daniel Shayesteh Dr Daniel Shayesteh is an Iranian who was involved in training the Hezbollah terrorist groups which operate in Lebanon, and supported the overthrow of the Iranian Government by Ayatollah Khomeini. Unfortunately he was aligned with the wrong political faction and found himself in prison awaiting execution. After a friend engineered his escape to Turkey he became a Christian.
“He knows the radical side of Islam,” said Mr Dillner. “He knows he is on a hit list. When he walks out the door to work each morning, he knows he may not return.”
Mr Shayesteh will give his testimony at an evening public meeting at each of the three conferences.
Dr Mark Durie, vicar of St Mary’s Anglican Church in Caulfield, Melbourne, has conducted extensive field trips to the Acehnese Muslim people in Indonesia.
Open Doors director Bruce Quedley said the conferences were not intended to stir up controversy but rather to educate the Church.
“We want to show Christians how to value Muslim people more, and reach out to them,” he said. “New Zealanders react in fear when they see Muslim women wearing the veil. This makes the Muslim women feel isolated and left out completely and think they are living in a very unfriendly society.
“People are afraid of Islam but we want to release them from that bondage.”
Mr Quedley said the conference would cover such issues as whether we worship the same god – “that is a definite no” – and understanding the Muslim requirement that Christian and Jewish people must pay a tax and live as second-class citizens in society if they wish to live at peace with Muslims.
Vision Network’s Glyn Carpenter said he was pleased to support the Mosques and Miracles tour because there was a need for a better understanding of Islam and its impact on the national and international political scene.
“While our main focus is on loving God and loving others, whatever their beliefs, it can be useful to have some specific knowledge about where other people are coming from,” he said. “We should also not ignore the fact that there is an element within Islam which is hostile to Western countries and to the Christian faith.”
The conferences are open only to church leaders and members recommended by their leaders. However, there is an evening meeting open to the public at each conference venue. Early bird registrations close on June 22.
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Israel should have [a long time ago] press the UN for:
1) Condemming Arab Muslim 'Palestinian' parents, teachers, leaders, Mullahs, for using Arab kids as human shields and as human bombs, clarifying the real culprits in Arabs' deaths.
2) Violations by ILLEGAL PA Arabs "settlers" on Israel's "agreed" borders by the UN.
3) "Palestinian" Violation of virtually ALL agreemants pacts with Israel (Oslo, Camp David, etc.).
4) The PA official media & education = hate (crimes) campaign on "the joos", (not just on Israel...).
5) Exposing the constant intimdation on nations by the GOLIATH ARAB MUSLIM (oil) block, to tarnish innocent Israel in the UN.



1) Are you denying that the Arab racist attacks on Jews in Israel/"palestine" has started since 1838 (Safed) [so were the attacks in 1883, 1920, 1921, 1929 - Hebron, etc.]?

2) Had Israel be a (mostly) Arab-Muslim State, would the intolerant Arab-Muslim Goliath world not accept them?

3) Why is there a complete silence on the historical fact of Arab immigration late 1800s early 1900s into Israel/"palestine"?

4) What anti-Israel bigotry is stronger, the "Arab racism"; factor? or the 'Islamic-Jihad' factor?

5) 'Moral equivalence' Do you have Arab activists on behalf of Israeli victims, just like you have Jewish, Israeli, Zionists activists for the (so called) 'Palestinian cause' (whatever that is...)?

6) If humane Israel would really go after "unarmed poor palestinians" as the 'Pallwood' propagandists tell us, How many Arabs would have survived Israel's might?

7) Who's more at fault, the Arab Muslim "Palestinians" parents pushing for Shahid-isim, or the indoctrinating Mullahs, Imams in the holy Mosques for using "Palestinian" kids and women as human bombs and as human shields (so they can blame the Zionists when Arab kids die)?

8) What would have happened if Arab Muslim "Palestinians" would have invested as much energy in rebuilding their lives as they do in destroying both nations' lives in fascistic Jihad, total hatred and campaign for GENOCIDE [to "drink the blood of the Jews" or to "push them all to the sea", or to "wipe them off of map"]?

9) Why does "bad" IDF Israeli army announce an area residents' civilians to evacuate before an operation against terrorists?

10) Why did Humane Israel's IDF invented specially low range missiles designed to hit ONLY the [terror] target and minimize collateral damage?

11) When was the last time the "Palestinian" well oil-ed propaganda machine has retracted [or even apologized] for it's usual PALLYWOOD fake images industry?

12) What's the difference between a Christian in Indonesia, Buddhist in Thailand, Christian in Nigeria, in Philippines, Australians in Bali (2002), non Muslims in London (0707/2005), in Madrid (bombing), "not the-right-kind-of-Muslims" in Shiite-Sunni hateful massacres in Iraq, oppression & massacres in the "Islamic Republic of Iran", and Israeli victims of the same "evil ideology"?

13) What's a harder oppression, your "average" Arab Muslim regime's on it's own people, Hamas-tan Islamic Apartheid [which most "Palestinians" supported!] on non Muslims, or the pro-Jihad parents' on their kids?

14) What would have happened if at least ONE Arab Muslim nation [regular or oil-ed one] would really care about the Arab [brothers, that since the 1960's started to call themselves as] "Palestinians" and let them get off the terror slum into normality and even prosperity?

15) What part of 'BLIND FASCISM' do Arab-Muslims deny, the usual obsessed anti Israel demonization [no matter what Israel does] or the reluctance to see Israel's super kind gestures for those that are trying to kill them [releases from prison, giving away own land vital to it's security, humanitarian aid, etc.] not as goodness but as "weakness"?

16) Why is it that when Islamists terrorists [Hamas or Hezbullah, Islamic Jihad, etc.] succeed in making sure Arab kids die [with their known tactics of cowardly firing among or behind children, etc.] the Arabs, Muslims rejoice and the Israelis, Jews are saddened ?

16) How can land be an issue [or the blatant lies the Arab lobby's financed: Jimmy Carter has said, though he admitted that Israel is a great equal democracy for all, Arabs and Jews alike!'] if "moderate" Palestinian official government still has venomous hatred and pro 'death cult' in it's regular curriculum and on it's official TV, or that such "moderate" Arab media outlets [like Al Jazeera] still glorify mass murder as "martyrdom"?

17) Who's more powerful, the Arab Muslim Goliath Oil mafia "lobby" on the world or a Chinese, Italian, Israeli, Irish, pharmaceutical, cigarettes lobbyists in Washington?

18) Had the International Arab Muslim lobby of nations in the UN [or the EU] not threatened other nations to bash Israel 24/7 [motivated by intolerance only!], What would be then the outcome?


Let's make it clear, even if there will be a "Palestine" state, it will never change the factual history, that a group of foreign Arab immigrants came into the (historic) land of the Jews (and started to call themselves as "Palestinians" in the 1960's) and hijacked the world comunity via terrorism and Arab oil power to give them yet a second 'Palestine' state (after Jordan).



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